Round 2: Facebook Message (May 18, 2010)
ac: For your information, NO western news report anything about the reds holding civilians as hotages. Where do you hear that from?
me: There are no literal hostages. But how about normal civilians who live right in the red zone and won't dare to or can't get out of the house for fear that they might get shot? They are as good as hostages in their own houses, if you ask me. And where do you get your news? I guess it must be CNN, right? Do you think they know everything other than "Government = Bad, Red Shirts = Fight for Democracy"? Really, by occupying the shopping district of the city, the Reds cause thousands of people to lose jobs and Thailand's economy suffers. They ask for their rights. But how about the rights of people who just want to live a safe and normal life? Don't those people have rights too? Those Red people have been pushing their limit even before the solidiers came out. They raid hospital, threaten people who don't agree with them, etc. Gosh...I understand why you support them, but I never thought you would come this far in defending them and with only tiny sympathy for those suffering innocent people.
Here are some WESTERN news that you might not have read -- http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63H06E20100430?rpc=60 and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1278839/Thai-protesters-use-child-human-shield-country-faces-civil-war.html
No need to reply me back. I just want you to know what's going on. Oh, and read some comments from Westerners too. You might find them interesting.
ac: Foreigners in Bangkok are weird. One guy said he would kill a child. I don't think I want someone like this joining my side.
Well, it's so fucked-up to use children like that. But, how many soliders have died in this clash? I only see the Reds got hurt or killed. So, of course, the government is the bad guy. Besides, they are to blame for not accepting the vote in the first place. They called these people stupid and refused the vote.
(May 19, 2010)
me: I guess the comment you refer to is this "...(copy of the whole comment)..." Now, I believe your English is way better than mine. Re-read the comment again and tell me who kill who. From my understanding, he didn't want to kill the child, but the person who ordered the child to be killed. What's wrong with this logic? Don't you try to manipulate me.
And you know what? Since the first clash back on April 10th til now, almost a hundred people have died, soldiers included. So, just because no soldiers died in that last 2-3 day doesn't mean the Reds should keep on protesting by burning the city down. Let me quote this:
"The military coup in 2006 wrongly overthrew the then democratically elected prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra. That was no democracy.
The coup council handed the power back to the people in 2007. The People Power Party (PPP) won the following election. That was democracy.
The PPP was banned by the Constitution Court for electoral irregularities and the parliament _ the democratically elected representatives of Thailand _ voted the Democrats into power. That was democracy.
The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) argue against the Democrat-led coalition government's legitimacy and protest for the government to step down and call a general election.
That was democracy.
And the UDD had won.
The goals of the UDD from the very start: They wanted a House dissolution. They will have one in September. They wanted a general election. They will have one on Nov 14. All within six months and PM Abhisit Vejjajiva's term actually ends in January 2012, a year and a half from now.
They should be dancing in the streets, celebrating victory. Then we can all go to the voting booth in November. Peace and democracy. But no.
The truth has revealed itself. The United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship is simply using democracy as a front in the interests of dictatorship.
Refusing the peaceful compromise, forsaking the democratic process, continuing to harm the country for the interests of one man, Thaksin Shinawatra, fighting against security forces of the rightful democratic government of Thailand _ that's an uprising, it's a rebellion.
It's criminal. That is not democracy.
If you disagree with me and think the UDD is in the right, then let me simplify it: The next time you're pulled over by the law in a traffic stop, you should just burn tyres, shoot slingshots at the cop and call him a dictator.
Anyone with an arrest warrant? No need to surrender. Barricade and fortify your home, fire slingshots and fire-crackers and call the law tyrannical.
Buy a lifetime membership to the Association of Anarchists. You don't belong in a civilisation.
It's worth repeating: They wanted a House dissolution. They have one in September. They wanted a general election. They have one on Nov 14. That's democracy. Instead, they flushed democracy down the toilet.
Let me repeat it again: They wanted democracy. They had democracy. We can all go to the voting booth on Nov 14. But they flushed democracy down the toilet and chose instead, a rebellion.
And when there's a rebellion, the government must put down the rebellion. Otherwise, we have anarchy. The law must be swift, severe and certain _ any student of criminology can tell you that. "
ac: Oh, I got it now. I just misread that comment.
Nowadays, in order for a country to grow, you need Democracy and Commerce. It means you need Western people like us to invest in your country. It's clear that you don't agree with the way of the Reds fight for democracy, but you need democracy nevertheless. And you know why. We support democracy, and it will make it easier for you to get money from us
From what I've heard, this current government term ended last fall, but they keep postponing the election.
By the way, the Reds are not burning down the city, they are just burning tires.
me: No. The term of the current government ends January 2010, I insist.And Didn't I tell you that the Reds could have had general election in November, if only they stoped protesting? Really, just hold on to your opinion that the Reds have the rights to burn "tires" for democracy. However, look at the picture I send you below and tell me if the thing in the picture looks like "tires" to you. For me, that looks like a building there. Oh, and please get your damn fact straight on the government's term. (attached a photo of a burning building with Red shirts in presence)
ac: I guess you're right on the government's term. However, please don't send me anything about this anymore. I will not reply.
me: It's a deal. As I siad, you have your opinion and I mine. My sincere apology that we have this debate. I started it anyway. I hope our friendship survives this.
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Well, that acquaintance in US hasn't written anything back to me since. I guess I kinda nailed him down and hurt his pride a bit. Seriously, I support democracy, but I don't see who in the right mind would go as far as burning down one's own country, ruin the country's economy, and bring harm to innocent lives for the sake of it.
Gosh...Thailand is in such a huge mess. How has my beloved country come to this point? Sigh...
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